Burnt out vehicles used by gunmen smolder on an intersection, a day after street battles between gunmen and security forces in Culiacan, Mexico, Friday Oct. 18, 2019. Mexican security forces backed off an attempt to capture a son of imprisoned drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman after finding themselves outgunned in a ferocious shootout with cartel enforcers that left at least eight people dead and more than 20 wounded, authorities said. (AP Photo/Augusto Zurita)

The Mexican drug cartels have grown even bolder and stronger in recent years. Just last week, in the Sinaloa state, drug cartel forces defeated the Mexican military forces and police in street battles in the capital city.

Yes, the narcos defeated Mexican government forces in an all-out battle. Can you say “failed state?”

As Claire Berlinsky writes . . .

The forces that emerged were in the literal sense awesome and awful. Heavy weaponry that would be familiar on any Iraqi, Syrian, or Yemeni battlefield was brought to bear. More and worse: custom-built armored vehicles, designed and built to make a Sahel-warfare technical look like an amateur’s weekend kit job, were rolled out for their combat debut. Most critically, all this hardware was manned by men with qualities the Mexican Army largely lacks: training, tactical proficiency, and motivation.

Then the coup de grace: as the Chapo sons’ forces engaged in direct combat with their own national military, kill squads went into action across Culiacán, slaughtering the families of soldiers engaged in the streets.

Mexico has strict gun control, with a ban on military-style guns and calibers, exactly one gun store in the entire nation, along with gun (and gun owner) registration. What’s more, Mexico imposes long prison terms for possession of a single round of prohibited ammunition.

Does this make our southern neighbor a crime-free utopia as Beto O’Rourke would have you believe? Hardly. With over 33,000 murders last year and this year’s numbers up 3.3% over that, Mexico makes Chicago-style violence seem bucolic.

(AP Photo/Hector Parra)

The Federalist has a piece on the latest narco violence south of the Rio Grande.

The southwest U.S. border might be quieter now than it was this spring at the height of the migrant crisis, but south of the Rio Grande the Mexican state is disintegrating.

Last Thursday in the city of Culiacan, the capital of Sinaloa state, a battle erupted between government forces and drug cartel gunmen after the Mexican military captured two sons of jailed drug kingpin Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman. The elder son, Ivan, was quickly freed by his men, who overpowered government forces and secured his release. Ivan then launched an all-out siege of the entire city in an effort to free his younger brother, Ovidio.

The ensuing scene could have been mistaken for Syria or Yemen. Footage posted on social media Thursday showed burning vehicles spewing black smoke, heavily armed gunmen blocking roads, dead bodies strewn in the streets, and residents fleeing for cover amid high-caliber gunfire.

Armed with military-grade weapons and driving custom-built armored vehicles, cartel henchmen targeted security forces throughout Culiacan, launching more than one dozen separate attacks on Mexican security forces. They captured and held hostage eight soldiers, then kidnapped their families. Amid the fighting, an unknown number of inmates escaped from a nearby prison. At least eight people were killed and more than a dozen were injured.

The eight-hour battle ended when government forces, outgunned and surrounded, without reinforcements or a way to retreat, received an order directly from Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador to release their prisoner and surrender.

That’s right, Mexico’s President told his own military to stand down.

Lopez Obrador later defended this decision, insisting that his security strategy is working and saying, “Many people were at risk and it was decided to protect people’s lives. I agreed with that, because we don’t do massacres, that’s over.”

Gun control doesn’t lead to crime-free utopias. It leads to predatory violent criminals and government tyranny. When only the government and criminals have guns, the strong victimize the weak with impunity.

Image courtesy Oleg Volk. Used with permission. blog.olegvolk.net

Right now, Mexico finds itself doing a good impression of a failed state. What’s more, people are left helpless in the face of drug cartel henchmen and sometimes-corrupt police and military forces.

(AP Photo/Augusto Zurita)

Let’s not follow Mexico’s failed state down the road of gun bans and gun confiscations.

The army and police cannot stops the cartels. Armed, and trained honest citizens would. Michuacan taught us that.

I find it interesting that groups of the cartel’s forces broke off from the main fighting and went out to slaughter the soldiers’ families. It’s often been said in forum discussions (such as TTAG) that full gun confiscation and civil war here in the USA could hopefully be avoided by the mere fear that “traitor” LEOs responsible for the deaths of even a few innocent Americans (defending themselves from a tyrannical government) would result in the families of those LEOs becoming targets. I’m not advocating it, but I can see the tactical logic of employing that strategy as a deterrent.

That being said, the situation in Mexico is something I don’t ever wish to see replicated here.

The Mexican government, police, military, and the drug cartels have united in a war against the people.

If the cartels were raking in something on the order of $1.5 Trillion per year we’d have almost no chance at controlling them either. Oh, wait, we already don’t!

2A or not, this country would be a war zone if the cartels were as comparatively powerful here as they are South of the border. That’s part of the very real danger is the Left’s proposals: they would greatly strengthen the cartels while enormously weakening LE. That’s your first big leap towards having the same situation here that you do in Mexico because the first major part of that is an absolute lack of respect for LE on the part of the criminal element.

We don’t have that lack of respect here. Hopefully we never will.

Legalize dugs. That will destroy cartels and criminal gangs faster and more thoroughly than any police or military action. When was the last time you heard of groups of liquor store or brewery employees getting into shoot outs with each other over territory or with law enforcement? Not since the repeal of prohibition.

On top of that legal drugs would be manufactured by regular companies with standardized manufacturing practices and standard ingredients. Dosage would be listed right on the package. You wouldn’t have to worry about sellers adulterating the product and unintentional overdoses would end almost immediately.

Well, unless you use a VPN, tracker filters, and a hacked open-source OS non-Google phone. I do all three.

It’s not easy to be completely invisible, but our Big Tech Overlords do not see everything.

Nothing gets online without an IP. The internet is a two-way street. If you can see this website then it can see you. Using a VPN does not change that. Your ISP assigns you an IP address. They know that and so should you. That IP does not change based on your usage of a VPN. You can test this my disconnecting from your ISP then watch what happens to your VPN. Even the cookies you download record your IP as you transition between the two states of connection.

There is and always has been one and only one way to be invisible. That is to NOT be connected.

Mexico lost their drug war in the 70s. Then they watched the cartels war on each other through the 80s and 90s, until there was generally established Cartel Turf/Zones and they built and well armed their own enforcer armies. Cartels have always hit hard against those that play along. No one in Mexico is out of their reach and they escalate the violence with every example they make.

Mexico can’t fix this, not our job either: BUILD THE WALL with gun towers!

Coming soon to your city. Open borders, resettlement, and distribution of illegals all over the US.

It’s not too late but getting close. If MS13 decides to take over a town, suburb or half a city we will see this here.
I’m keeping my .30 guns well oiled.

The violence did not stop in states that legalized recreational marijuana. And the white marijuana dealers soon realized that the black marijuana dealers were correct. White dealers need guns too. To protect their property and their drug profits. From armed thieves.

Libertarians don’t use reason. They believe in fantasy. You’re never going to change the culture of the drug cartels. But the Libertarians can pray to their “Flying Spaghetti Monster” and hopefully it will change the cartels way of thinking.

If one of gun grabbing schemes renders firearms illegal, expect those gangs to pick up the demand and sell guns on street corners like they do now with dope.

“Fast & Furious” was first done under Bush as “Wide Receiver”. Both bad, insanely stupid, incompetent, and nobody was punished for either.

Eric Holder was pardoned? Where do you get that? And what for?

No, they did not put trackers on guns. They talked about approaching Raytheon for technology to install in guns to track them. But they never followed up. It’s in the OIG report on Wide Receiver:
https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2012/s1209.pdf

This is about two wrongs not making a right, one not excusing the other. Both were criminal. Both should have seen the ATF and DoJ people responsible criminally charged, prosecuted and jailed.

On the one hand we can’t prosecute because these bureaucrats protect each other. On the other hand we cannot do it because it happened under both political parties. So punishing the party out of power puts a spotlight on the party in power for their similar crimes.

Just another example of the mental illness that is political Partyism.

In numbers I agree that Wide Receiver and Fast & Furious are a drop in the bucket. The cartels do get a great many guns from the Mexican military thru direct theft or corruption. But they are also getting guns from South America, from Pacific Rim countries including China, also from Africa and Russia. A couple of Russians were recently arrested but protected from prosecution over a deal to ship a large number of guns to a Mexican cartel.

Point is they have many sources, including many large sources from many countries.

The heavy weapons and smaller arms come in from those overseas directions, as well as from the south. Sure, they get some guns from the USA, but Browning .50 cal machine guns? Rocket propelled grenades? Cases of hand grenades? That stuff is from everyplace else but here. The small arms they got from Bush’s “Wide Receiver” or Obama’s “Fast & Furious” were a drop in the bucket compared to their regular sources. Hell, they shot down a military helicopter and have built their own armored fighting vehicles! The Mexican military has collected a junkyard of armored vehicles that show increasing sophistication, including multi-layer armor.

The weapons also come from within Mexico. Stolen from the police and military.

It isn’t new either. Nearly 35 years ago a rescue squad I was with was asked by the US State Department to assist Mexican Federal police in recovering bodies from a shaft. They needed people skilled in mine rescue, wearing rebreathers, working vertically. I nearly went as top-side support on rope systems (newbie) but they trimmed the number of people way down. Turned out to be a quantity of disposed of captives. Couldn’t pay the ransoms so they were killed and tossed down an old, deep well. Men and women, from young to old.

We do not need just a wall. We need an attitude adjustment. We need to comprehend that a failed state the size of Mexico on our southern border is dangerous to American national security. We need mass deployments of Federal troops to patrol the border and to conduct searches at ports of entry. As in both northbound and southbound. Catch the drugs, the guns, the cash being moved. Every car, truck, train, aircraft.

What we need is to set a goal. I’d say either we reduce illegal border activity by at least 95% or we fail. The goal is to starve the cartels of cash. Do it for long enough and their power will fall. Their soldiers are not religious fanatics like Islamic terrorists, they are in it for the money.

Trump’s non-wall he has not built a mile of yet will not do it.

Sure, a barrier system is useful, even important. But it has to be understood that a barrier works as a force multiplier for the people guarding the barrier. It forces the people trying to cross to slow down, bunch up, take time to exert extra effort. Gives the guarding force an opportunity to detect and interdict.

If your force along a wall is inadequate, the wall is a wasted effort.

I’d say start at 100,000 troops. Plus concentrated air and naval patrols. All this cartel activity is not restricted to the borders with California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas!

As for the Posse Comitatus Act, it does not apply in the event of invasion. Which is what we have long had going on. A low intensity civil war in a neighboring country where one combatant is operating within the USA to generate funds for that war, committing considerable crime and damage to American lives in so doing. It is a new form of warfare we are unaccustomed to and are far behind the curving in recognizing for what it is.

By the way, none of this is about immigration for me. The great bulk of illegal aliens pay taxes, get little befit from doing so, and just want a better life. The political party that realizes this and acts to fix our screwed up mess of an immigration system would earn itself a bunch of new voters for their side.

But the Republicans are as dumb as the Democrats on that one.

They are massive net consumers of taxes. They might be paying a few cents on the dollar.

The break even point for income to be a net tax payer is north of 60k assuming full compliance.

Kids, especially ones with poor English cost $10k-$20k a year for school.

“The great bulk of illegal aliens pay taxes, get little befit from doing so, and just want a better life.”

Illegals are grabbing every welfare dollar they can from the government.

By MARC LACEY and GINGER THOMPSONMARCH 14, 2010
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LA UNIÓN, Mexico — Gunmen believed to be linked to drug traffickers shot a pregnant American consulate worker and her husband to death in the violence-racked border town of Ciudad Juárez over the weekend, leaving their baby wailing in the back seat of their car, the authorities said Sunday. The gunmen also killed the husband of another consular employee and wounded his two young children.

The shootings took place minutes apart and appeared to be the first deadly attacks on American officials and their families by Mexico’s powerful drug organizations, provoking an angry reaction from the White House. They came during a particularly bloody weekend when nearly 50 people were killed nationwide in drug-gang violence, including attacks in Acapulco as American college students began arriving for spring break.

The killings followed threats against American diplomats along the Mexican border and complaints from consulate workers that drug-related violence was growing untenable, American officials said. Even before the shootings, the State Department had quietly made the decision to allow consulate workers to evacuate their families across the border to the United States.

In Washington, President Obama denounced the “brutal murders” and vowed to “work tirelessly” with Mexican law enforcement officials to prosecute the killers. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said the killings underscored the need to work with the Mexican government “to cripple the influence of trafficking organizations at work in Mexico.”

The F.B.I. was sending agents to Ciudad Juárez on Sunday to assist with the investigation and American diplomats were en route to meet with their Mexican counterparts, said Roberta S. Jacobson, the American deputy assistant secretary of state who handles Mexico.